Monday, September 28, 2009
The outtakes, by Noemie Cournoyer
Cath's on http://forum-chretien.com/topic3923.html
The eye of God looks through the heart of gay as well as through a remaining pottery seal or paint.
PS: The eternal can also decendre lightning from heaven.
Read on http://dieu-atheisme.over-blog.com/ "the creation by the mere word is possible given today on computers software with possibility Men speak into a microphone and transcribe this speech into a creative writing"
shaena1-forum on religion: It bothers you so that we can still believe in the year 2009 in the West to a Creator?
other issues, some disreputable animists Ebony marry only among themselves, you think that a hundred generations, their descendants will come to clear because they no longer live in Africa and there is less sun in France ?
glaive, forum-religion :
1 - why is it always monkeys?
2 - please consider the same environment there are different animals comletement?
3 - and why men already existed for thousands of years while monkeys still exist?
4 - and the so-called "common forefathers" who created it?
5 - and finally I suggest a cage in a zoo as an animal who always keeps a monkey's brain
glaive, forum-religion :
it is mentioned in the Koran that some people who have disobeyed their prophets, have been transformed into apes and pigs! and this is proof of the credibility of the Qur'an as we now know that these are the two animals which can be organ transplants (eg the vaves porcine heart).
LECHEMAINDROIT, forum-religion :
A woman is a virgin means that this woman has no relationship sexeulle them before. if I ask this question? is what you taste between fresh meat and such with frozen meat. it's like for women when aurrat the first report sexeulle, she finds that it is something very interesting for her.
marie1, forum-religion: and you're all liars, ignorant! You like your theory, keep it for you! and live as you wish! But we do not share the same nonsense, and your evolutionary scientists do not bring us anything good that's brainwashing me, I love haroune Yahiya that you hate! it is normal, you just remove all your myths! I will give out a Nobel Peace Prize for that!
LECHEMAINDROIT, Forum Religion :
Do not forget that the scientific development in the world didn't saw the days after Islam. Catholic Church was a real obstacle for researchers and scholars. Islam by non-cons. it's reality and you can not refuse.
diddl2007 on Top Chrétien
Anti-Zionism = Anti-Semitism = anti-Jew = anti-Israel = Anti-God
Yoda on Top Christian Forum:
[Yoda speaks of psi powers of the pastor's daughter] Small children are certainly very sensitive to spiritual presences. When worship is spiritually heavy they are often quite agitated, but when the Holy Spirit reigns over a meeting, they are quietly and without noise, but stand still either. When I see the small of my pastor (who must be a little less than 28 months of my granddaughter) in moments of prayer during the week, I often say it is inspired: it will take for example a butterfly specific about the display and gives the right person. His attitude says a lot sometimes, if she knows how to smile more moody, but she tends to avoid people spiritually connected.
Gillovy Topchretien the forum:
When I gathered enough information, documentation on these famous ancient animals and hominids, I think the public will decide who is telling the truth and who does not say. (emphasis added)
Nicolas on Forum-Chretien.com:
there is a woman dedicated to you and you should you set aside for it
basically you have no right or kiss a woman or touched before the wedding you wanted sidebar for the limit? I think you already passed the Very Happy
well it's some good strike but I think real
Pierrot on Forum-Chretien.com
And why is it not now "cash" between ape and man, since man evolved from apes?? Bizarre, bizarre!
Willofly on Topchretien forum:
I never deny the existence of dinosaurs, however I do think that Leviatan and some monsters are references to the kinds of dinosaurs. I really meditate on the issue but for now it's like the utility of tardigrades I did not know but it surely exists.
TR on Topchretien Forum:
In all societies, there were gods and worship. While the barbarians and false gods, so lame companies. But now it is a fact. (...) In this world, be reasonable without God is most unfortunate that stupid, ignorant of his condition. That is, what is true.
kalheb on Forum-Religion
2Pet. 3:3 in the last days scoffers will come from it with their mockery, ranging from their own desires and saying where his presence.
Your insults and slurs on your scripture prove once again the veracity of the prophetic word of God without realizing it you participate in prophecies of the Bible.
TR sur TopChrétien:
Not being an atheist, I can afford what little atheists dare do: be clear about their opinions and their outcomes.
Science Building on Topchretien:
A word can have several definitions. I define what I mean when I use the term macro-evolution. As you take note that when I use this word it is this definition which I speak.
LUCM-Forum on Religion:
1. The Quran describes the realities in a manner different from the Bible.
2. The Qur'an said things that the Bible does not contain in the topic while the two treated ..
3. The Qur'an has corrected serious errors found in the Bible.
4. The Quran continet realities exclusively quoted by the Koran.
5. In the case of disagreements between them is always the Qur'an is right, and that the evidence of logic and science.
gillovy on Forum Topchretien
Some question my knowledge of science ... do not go into these useless polemics. I am a "logician", trained in rigorous reasoning.
Pazu on Blogdei:
I just read a book that made me stop to sympathize with the enemies of Israel.
I am for the state of Israel returned all his land. Before I did not know what to make of all this and I followed a bit but the general opinion is now perfectly clear that the state of Israel is part of the plan of God and His promise to Abraham. Canaan belongs to the Jews.
Willofly on Topchretien:
Beginning with the first chapters of Genesis, there is already a lot of research to be undertaken. (...) The scientists if only out of curiosity does not seek to understand, in general, if there is something to be learned from this story completely inspired to guide their research, understanding of the universe, dating system...
Why, what are they afraid to find? I do not think any of the impartiality of a system-way thinking.
Science Building on the Topchretien:
The approach that I advocate regarding the creation vs. evolution issue is to bring the person to recognize that macro-evolution is a belief. From my perspective, it seems, it is dangerous to shake the faith in Christ a person by proving that the Bible must reject macro-evolution.
For because the world in which we live, that person has a good chance to have more faith in what scientists secular, most schools and the vast majority of media and teaching and ultimately reject Christ.
diddl2007 on Topchretien:
A question I should ask all supporters of evolutionism. Why do you wear clothes out to you and why do not you go out naked (except in certain exceptional cases of certain tribal lands and some even hide the most intimate parts of their bodies). Why many companies even before Christianity had time to see the Gallic or other civilizations not as Judeo-Christian Rome and many others ... have required that men and women are covered??
And do not tell me the climate to argue for how we explain the fact that the Roman Empire who were also in very hot regions of the world such as Africa were all dressed?? After all, if man is to ape ancestor, whence come the sense of decency? Animals do not have this feeling, this feeling is typically associated with humans.
Well just look in the Bible and you will see that men and women knew that they were naked after sin and God gave them animal skins to cover them.
superspy on Topchretien:
do not try plunging nails into the "behind" where I do not know where (in my heart), this does not change the truth
there is no Christian, there is not intelligent, there is no executioner, there was not tortured ... it is simply life with his lies and truths
I think I have to do for the moment, people who practice very well lie they lie to themselves and therefore lie to others about themselves
I have one thing to say go or flee the truth by refusing to speak to me for fear of talking to your reflection TRUE!
see ya
ps: and no, I'm not god, I'd rather satan
KingJosias on Topchretien forum:
Regarding the quotes out of context, my ten years of experience in the creation-evolution debate showed me that evolutionists have never demonstrated the quotes "out of context"
Athanasius on Protestant Forum
[On the possibility of women becoming priests:]
Not mitres they need ... but yards (ICor.4/21)!
Commentary on Mr. Kirrmann Blogdei
Chapters 40 and 41 of Job describes two other extinct animals. the King James transcript:
"Behold now Behemot" reflects unfairly by the French as "hippopotamus", giving it a tail like a cedar, a diet high in places, bones like tubes of brass and a sword as a defense (Job 40.10 -- 19)
Then follows the description of Leviathan, reflects unfairly by a crocodile, but similar to what we believe to be a Trex (Job 40.20 to 41) It spits fire, is immune to weapons, breastplates sheet has on its tummy harrow .
(...)
The Bible is not only talking about dragons encounters with men, and the literature is literally crammed. From the Epic of Gilgamesh where the hero kills a dragon and bring his head.
Iron_Coffin on Topchretien:
[Regarding incest necessarily committed by the children of Adam and Eve ...]
In supposes that there is no God. The first man and first woman that we populate the earth have probably had recourse to this procedure.
Science Building on Topchretien:
[He was asked if he believes the story of Genesis is literal (6 days) or symbolic] I chose created in 6 days. So historically, but also symbolic. For example, harvesting a historical fact is used to symbolize. To me the bible is fractal.
mal4 of Topchretien:
[Asked about the symbolic value of "six days of creation"]
Do not be scientific. The things of God are understood by the light of évengile and is the Bible that says: 1d = 1000 years. Is this with or without the sun I know.
frero on Topchretien:
Yes God can regrow a leg, I saw her once. It was an operation of a miracle (the gift of working miracles), The Man in question, he missed both legs and also was a priest Catola.
A man's historical passage in our city were filled with the Spirit of God told him to just go buy a new pair of shoes, the priest is laughed first, but then he obeyed, He gave his shoe size to the vendor size 42 black please footwear. The seller apologized when he saw that the client had no leg but prostheses, but the priest insisted, and the seller finally served.
When the salesman handed him the shoes he looked and he placed a prosthesis in the shoe and at the same moment that formed one leg and he did the same for the second prosthesis and a second leg pushed immediately as the first leg with the foot entirely in the shoe.
Masson.A Topchretien on Forum:
Whether God exists is an object of knowledge and not an object of faith, because we can learn by logical deduction that God exists and what are its key attributes. (...) And of course knowing his perfections, how can we not have faith in God? (if not a neurosis affecting intelligence). So frankly, I do not see where is the problem. God is perfectly fair and everyone is in a position of equality of opportunity before him. We have to explain where the problem is, I frankly do not see it.
diddl2007 on Topchretien:
The name Yeshua has significance for Jews and becomes more accecible to understanding Jewish because too often the Jews believe that the Jesus of the Christians has created another religion when it is false because the Messianism of our Messiah and Savior is integral Judaism Bible ...
Frontline on Topchretien:
molecular biology, increasingly, the question arises .. physics: you know that the earth has a rotational shift of one day among the other planets of the Solar System? and that scientists do not find the explanation in the book of Joshua ...
an excellent documentary made by some guys just go out there called "Expelled". I think it might interest you!
diddl2007 on over Topchretien
I say again, there are 2 kinds of intelligence, there is a human intelligence on IQ and then there's the intelligence that comes from God, that which is most important, that is to follow the Lord God and this is the one that counts to God. Moreover, people who are far from God saying that there is no God is an indescribable stupidity and those claiming there is intelligent. Getting closer to God increases the intelligence and increases away from God stupidity. Consider Darwin's theory, it makes people really stupid to get away from God as to believe that man evolved from apes ...
Salt on the forum Topchretien:
God gives roles and different responsibilities to each, there is no rank or position but from different positions ...
The woman bears the child and the breastfeeding! The man is responsible for the outbreak before God!
The brothers taught in assembly! The sisters in the Privy their family, their guests and their sisters!
Or is the problem ?????????????????????
M3dhi on forum-religion.org:
Class IterationInfinie {
int i = 0;
boolean b = true;
do {
i = i +1;
} while (true);
System.out.println ( "Variable i =" + i) [the red line was Ed]
}
In fact, your compiler (brain) will succeed to compile it. it will therefore generate the binary file that contains your processor (yet logical brain +). After execution: Not the red line will be executed. (it will be too late because you press Alt + F4, otherwise the CPU block and you have to reboot the PC) Basically you will be dead.
You understand the principle?
"All these years of work experience have reinforced the observation that the psychiatrist, in all its forms, is an" effective "very limited despite its many claims and I am now more convinced than ever that she is in many ways a real springboard and a 'ramp' to the world of darkness! " - Excerpt from "Testimony of Annie" Voxdei.
"The changes (in the true sense) is not advantageous for a species, quite the contrary. They did not change either. We can not make a" mistake "and said it will be the rule for any a new generation. Do you know of varieties of five-legged cows, humans of the Third Kind? varieties of flies blind in nature? " - Gillovy, forums Topchretien
"I do not know if you read the book 'eternity in their hearts', but it shows how various peoples, ancient oral traditions were as preparations to receive the gospel." - Clairette2, Topchretien forums.
"The men of science should never interfere in how to read and understand the Word of God. For cons, the Bible illuminates the field of knowledge." - GILLOVY on the Forum Topchretien.
"We are very far from the time of Francis Bacon who believed possible to address the facts without bias. What's really sad is the attitude of the institution so well emphasized by Ben Stein in his film" Expelled: No intelligence allowed ". If creationism is so stupid, why not teach in public schools and demolish the argument by argument throughout the school year? And I talk about recent arguments published in scientific journals, not of old arguments. " - D. Gasser, Topchretien forum.
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Thursday, March 05, 2009
How to come out as an atheist, by Iba Bouramine
I look at my search engine results quite a bit and have noticed that several people find my blog by typing in the phrase, “How to come out as an atheist” so I’ve decided to write a bit from my own experience for those who are seeking inspiration.
Step One: Realize you’re an atheist. This may seem to be a given but for the longest time people will have the knowledge that they don’t believe in a god and still label themselves otherwise. You’re an atheist. If you can’t share this with anyone yet, refer to yourself as one privately.
Step Two: Tell a trusted friend, mentor or family member (preferably someone who isn’t too religious himself). This is a test - not for the person you’re telling (well, maybe a little) but to see how well you handle his reaction. Having your friend accept you is the best possible outcome but isn’t guaranteed. If you meet rejection or criticism, don’t be discouraged. You’ll meet much more in the coming years. If you don’t get the reaction you hoped for try coming out to someone else. People will always surprise you.
Step Three: Join an atheist/humanist/skeptical/freethinker meet-up group in your area. If there isn’t one in your area, consider joining atheist-friendly forums like the Richard Dawkins Foundation or the James Randi Educational Foundation. You should definitely join Atheist Nexus where you’ll find tons of like-minded individuals and causes to suit your tastes. You can start your own group, post in the forums or write your own blog entries.
Step Four: Get used to the controversy. A good way of doing this is starting your own blog and receiving negative feedback online which is much less intimidating than someone belching out fiery hallelujahs in your face. Eventually it won’t affect you and you’ll learn that the sort of people who write the most vitriolic responses are not people you’d have in your life in any fashion anyhow.
Step Five: You should have the cojones now. You don’t have to introduce yourself to people by saying, “Hello. My name is Kate Holden and I’m an atheist. What now, punk?” but if the subject is being discussed you should have no shame in sharing your world views. I’ll admit that at my last job I used the term ‘not religious’ as I worked with highly religious people in a small conservative bible-belt town and felt my job would be in jeopardy if I came out to them. That’s pretty much the exception, though.
Step Six: Remember that you’re not alone. Participating in meet-up groups and forums will help you feel like you’re a part of something, especially if you live in an area of the world where being an atheist is particularly bad for your social status. And if all else fails, come out to me. I’ll accept you.
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The Top Ten Atheist Myths, by Noémie Cournoyer
We all know that many theists are so closed-minded about us that they won’t even talk to us, let alone try to understand us. This is usually not their fault, as they are told terrible things about us by people they trust, their preachers, whose whole livelihood depends on their parishioners staying in the flock.
It is this prejudice and conflict which is one of the main factors keeping atheists in the closet and theists in ignorance. With dialogue, not prejudice, both sides will benefit and the country will become a freer place. In this article I will therefore mention many of the myths about atheists that are popular among theists, as well as my usual responses. With any luck, this will prepare atheists for future confrontations and therefore make them more confident to announce themselves, as well as allow theist readers to better understand the atheist mentality.
Myth 1 ~ “Atheists are all the same” — You can understand why theists believe this, after being told this over and over by their preachers. This belief is reinforced by the fact that believers must be bound by much more than a simple belief in God. For example, Catholics must also have the same stances on abortion, contraception, and homosexuality in order to be called a “good Catholic.” It only goes to follow that atheism must be similar.
However, atheism is not a religion, rather the absence of religion. As such, we are bound only by our atheism. We are republicans and democrats, men and women, gays and straights, blacks and whites. We accept every person as they are as equals, and delight in our diversity (not many religions can say that). We disagree with each other on many issues, and discussion is encouraged and common. Above all, atheists demand the right to disagree, even if it means with each other.
Myth 2 ~ “Atheists have no morals, since they don’t believe in God” - What a sad world it is when people can seriously say that humans need to fear eternal damnation in order to do good. It is the one statement which at the same time stirs both anger and pity in most atheists; anger because it is a bigoted, prejudicial statement which serves no purpose except to promote intolerance, and pity because it highlights the speaker’s ignorance and willingness to accept such crap without question.
At the risk of validating the question, a reply needs to be made in order to expose the speaker to the idea that what they’ve heard is wrong on so many dimensions. It must not be answered with anger, but with compassion.
Humans have the idea of right and wrong imbedded in them by their own brains, as well as their upbringing and society. Atheists do good, not out of fear of reprisal, but because it’s the right thing to do. We value family, society, culture, and, of course, freedom. Many of us will - and have - defended these values with our lives. Examples:
1) Many Catholics make judgement calls on moral decisions against their church. For example, some use birth control or have abortions, despite what their church preaches. If these people can make moral decisions despite what their church preaches, then atheists can make similar choices without a church altogether.
2) Slavery was not only acceptable 200 years ago, it was considered a good deed by many, and defended using the bible. The bible was also used to justify the Holocaust, the Crusades, and the Spanish Inquisition.
Why is this relevant? Because it shows that the bible can be used to defend even the most immoral and unethical ideals, and is therefore not an adequate yardstick to measure moral or ethical behavior.
3) Finally, mention bad religious people. Remember that Hitler was a religious Catholic, and that Jeffrey Dahmer said grace before he ate his victims. Mention also that one need only open a newspaper to find yet another story about allegations against priests for sexual misconduct, often with children. Don’t forget our good friends Jim Bakker (who swindled millions from his flock) and Jimmy Swaggart (asked for forgiveness only after being caught using prostitutes).
4) Always couple these statements with the fact that, while atheists make up 8-10% of the population at large, we only make up 1% of the population in prison. I mean, think of it, what if 8-10% of the population (on top of all the religious criminals) decided it was OK to steal, rape, and murder? We’d have chaos! These will serve to prove that religion and ethical behavior are not even slightly related.
Expect these statements to piss off the theists, and this is where you must mention that what you said is verifiable and that their statement is openly prejudicial against 50 million Americans. This is the opportunity to open their eyes to the fact that just because we’re different from them doesn’t make us inherently bad.
Myth 3 ~ “Atheists believe in evolution, but that doesn’t answer as many questions as creationism”- Atheism is not a scientific theory, rather a lack of religion. We do believe in science, and that all questions will eventually be answered with science if they are not answered today. It’s gone well so far, giving theories regarding evolution, geological movement, and the Big Bang, all supported by evidence, but not necessarily endorsed by all atheists.
Creationism does not give all the answers, either. Furthermore, it goes so far as to choose which questions to answer, and discourages the asking of the rest. Believers are loath to discuss where God came from, or what he was doing before the creation. They refuse to give good answers for the many biblical inconsistencies or for the terrible injustices in the world, because they know that no such answers exist. They merely answer with “there are things which we mere humans cannot fully understand” or “the Lord works in mysterious ways”. In the end, religion doesn’t answer as many questions as it raises.
Myth 4 ~ “Atheists cannot know there is no God, since you cannot prove he doesn’t exist” - Again, this is a two sided coin, but the theists are loathe to admit the other side. Atheists don’t need to prove the non-existence of God, any more than we need to prove the nonexistence of Zeus or Jupiter. Can theists prove God over any alternatives? Of course not. Nobody can prove God exists, yet they will stand on their heads saying they’re sure. Well, if they can be sure despite evidence to the contrary, we can be sure in light of evidence in support of atheism.
Myth 5 ~ “Atheists seek to remove religion from society, and to force all people to be atheists” - Absolutely wrong. We seek only the freedom for people to make their choice on their own, free of intervention from the government or public school system. We seek the freedom not to support religion through taxes, forced participation, or special privileges of any kind.
That being said, your thoughts are your rights, and none of our business. Wear your jewelry, celebrate your holidays, and pray in your house, church, or in public if you like. Just don’t force your religion on other people. That’s what we’re all about.
This is in direct contrast to many of the world’s religions, including Christianity, which include worldwide expansion as one of their central objectives. Isn’t it amazing that they falsely accuse us of doing what they do openly, only with atheism it’s evil?
To try to force atheism would by hypocritical, since we would be placing pressure from the state on people to believe a certain way. But let me give a good analogy to our objectives and at the same time answer this charge using the money we use every day.
“In God We Trust,” is the government actively promoting religion.
“In God We Do Not Trust,” would be the government promoting atheism.
We advocate the complete omission of the statement thereby rendering the money neutral.
We feel the same way about the rest of the government. It should be the “Switzerland of the religious debate,” while at the same time being the protectorate of the individual.
Myth 6 ~ “Atheists are so closed-minded, they can’t see that miracles happen every day!” - Some people look for miracles where none exist (they never do). Allow me to put things in perspective: Someone’s cancer going into remission is no miracle, but we can talk when disease suddenly disappears from the face of the earth overnight without help from medical science. Food getting through to a hungry village: human perseverance. Starvation vanishing from earth without a reason overnight: Miracle. One more time: A child is born - science; The spontaneous end of birth defects - Miracle. Got it?
Note: only good things are miracles, so volcanoes, tornadoes, and hurricanes don’t count.
Myth 7 ~ “Atheists are pushing a negative sentiment, and have a dreary life” - Wrong We are “pushing” a very positive statement: that living without dependence on a false deity is easy, fulfilling, and positive. We strive to be a positive influence in the world, and think each person can - and must - find their own meaning of life. We are thinkers, philosophers, and we thrive on discussion and diversity. We are proud, happy, and most of all, free. Compare that to original sin and Hell.
Myth 8 ~ ” If atheists are right, then religious people are wasting their time, but at least they’re happy. No harm in that! If religious people are right, then atheists are going to hell. It seems logical that atheists should become religious just to be safe.” I like getting this question. I sense another list coming:
1) Drug addicts go through life happy, so would theists suggest we all use drugs and stay home? We would be happy, and not hurting anybody, so where’s the harm? The harm is the same for believers. They go through life happy, but it’s a false, wasteful happiness. Atheists get happiness from family, contribution to society, charity, and truth.
2) Religious people should not be lumped into one category for this question. Remember, religions are also biased against each other (Jews Vs. Catholics Vs. Protestants, etc), so no matter what religion the speaker follows, most of the world think they’re going to hell (or other punishment), just like atheists. Ask them which religion has the worst punishment, and whether they would convert to that religion on that one factor, just in case they’re right. When they tell you how absurd that question is, remind them that they asked it first.
3) To convert and practice a specific religion just to ingratiate yourself with God and avoid going to hell is pure, self-serving greed, which is one of the seven deadly sins. Therefore, by their own thinking, even if they are right and I do convert, I’d go to hell anyway, along with everyone else in the flock whose actions are so motivated (possibly including the speaker).
Myth 9 ~ “There are no such things as atheists” a.k.a. “There are no atheists in foxholes” - More fantasy from the believers, that there could never exist a single human whose reason and logical abilities surpass the pressure from society to believe in a deity. This is especially true in a situation of imminent death, where they believe all atheists would drop to our knees and beg God for forgiveness.
Wouldn’t it be nice if we could somehow be sure that those who currently disagree with us would come around in the end and know we were right? Just like most other parts of religion, this is blatant fantasy.
There are 25 Million atheists in the country, more that Jews and Blacks combined. Many atheists became atheists not because they were born into it (like most theists), rather because we contemplated god in its many forms and decided it just doesn’t make an ounce of sense. This isn’t a choice, it’s fact - a logical proof. We are simply too logical to believe God is anything more than fantasy.
As far as foxholes go, when I face death, as we all do sooner or later, I will use the last few remaining seconds of my life to remember my favorite moments, and evaluate my contribution to my family and society. I would definitely not waste precious time praying to a deity “just in case I’m wrong” I’m not.
Myth 10 ~ “This country was founded by Christians, on Christian values, and should therefore be a Christian country”.
True, some of the founding fathers were Christian, but some were Deists (generally believed in God), and some were outright atheists. But a more important point needs to be made: the founding fathers went out of their way to specify that church and state be separate. They believed that their religion was just that: theirs and theirs alone. They also remembered that they were there trying to be free of the state church of England, and recognized from their first-hand experience that true religious freedom can only come when belief is left to the individual. It is this ideal, among others, for which our forefathers fought and died.
Individual religious choice - including the right not to practice - is still under assault in this country. Those who would prefer to make the choice for you have labeled us criminal, evil ne’er-do-wells and launched a massive campaign to keep freethinkers subdued. They have been successful, mainly because atheism is fragmented and closeted.
They continue to be successful, but we can reverse the trend. Atheists must make themselves known. If you are reading this, and you are a closet atheist, you owe it to your country, your fellow atheists, and yourself to let people know how you feel. Start by coming to our convention in June, and meeting other people like yourself. You’ll be amazed at how good it feels to speak, listen, and party with people who openly agree with you. Bring a friend.
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Thursday, February 12, 2009
Blasphemer, and proud of it, by Francis Chartrand
Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit
Introduction
Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is related to a Christian doctrine that all sin can be forgiven by God with the exception of words uttered against the Holy Spirit. The basis of this doctrine is strange in Matthew 12:32. While Jesus attends to hunt demons, the Pharisees say that it is itself a henchman of Satan. Jesus replied that many details will be insulted in this way, but the supernatural action should not be blasphémée:
"Those who speak against the Son of man, he will be forgiven, but anyone speak against the Holy Spirit, he or she will be forgiven either in this century or in the next century." (Mat. 12:32)
It is thus faced with an obvious contradiction: Jesus is supposed to forgive all sins, but now he can not forgive the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Christians generally streamline passage by saying that blasphemy means in this case the total and irreversible rejection of the Gospel, forgiveness of Christ so.
Verse 32 is clear. These are the words that constitute blasphemy ( "anyone speak against the Holy Spirit").
Exercise of blasphemy
We always try to address every argument with a minimum of respect. However, it is also important for the Advancement of Truth (tm), to make the occasion a little thought experiment. For example, blaspheme and see what happens.
To participate in the experiment, read this aloud:
For I, reader of this text, said freely and in full possession of all my mental faculties, the Holy Spirit is cursed.
The Holy Spirit, vulgar pigeon magnet knocked virgins, only Santa Claus and the tooth fairy as rivals at the top of the most delusional of the human imagination. Down the Holy Spirit, front cheap attempt to justify the alleged miracles of a supposed messiah. May this blasphemy to me, reader of this text, the damned of the wicked.
Fucking Holy Spirit, non-existing entity and absurd, by far the most ludicrous dogma of Christianity, if not the existence of the Trinity itself. Cursed be the Holy Spirit, cursed is the Holy Spirit, cursed is the Holy Spirit.
Note: dated 19 January 2009, there are no bears came to eat or chasm opened beneath my feet.
Update: as of 12 February 2009, there is no Holy Spirit, who invited me to discuss his existantiality in a topless bar, there was no Madonna or Holy Virgin of 13 years old who try to convince me by sucking penis, Jesus did not give me shit coming at me trying to prover me that "his father is stronger than mine ", my boss at the store did not fuck a crucifix in me ass, and half the girls at the store does not always suck, so God exists, fuckers!
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Thursday, January 22, 2009
The Great Flood of Noah, by Noémie Cournoyer
The myth of the Great Flood described in the Bible?, Also called "Flood of Noah" is a mythological story to explain the nature of the relationship between the Jewish people and their God, YHWH? Thereafter, and that is the case with creationists, the flood has become the catch-all explanation when it comes to support the literalism? Biblical face geology.
First, the outline of the myth. Unhappy with his creation, YHWH decided to eliminate humans. But seeing that Noah and his family lead a good life, YHWH prevents it from the disaster to come, and it sends instructions to enable it to survive the flood by building a huge ship (Noah's Ark).
Following the flood, YHWH made a covenant with Noah that there will be no more disasters of this magnitude, in return for which men undertake to lead a good life. This alliance is characterized by the appearance of a rainbow, which illustrates the link between the earthly world and the celestial world.
Babylonian roots of the myth of the Flood
This myth is probably an adaptation of a Hebrew oldest Babylonian myth, the epic of Gilgamesh. In this version, the god of storms, Enlil decides to punish humanity corrupted by sending a deluge. The god of wisdom, Ea, decided to prevent Uta-Napishtim, a human particularly wise and virtuous. Uta-Naphishtim survive the flood by building an ark.
Posted to 2700 BC, the epic of Gilgamesh is one of the oldest stories known to date and above Genesis widely, even by the most generous dates (between 1200 and 200 BC.)
The following table shows some similarities between the story from the epic of Gilgamesh and the version presented in Genesis:
Babylonian version (1)
Hebrew (2)
(1) YHWH is angry against humanity corrupted.
(2) Enlil is angry against humanity corrupted.
(1) Noah favorite YHWH chosen to survive the flood.
(2) Uta-Napishtim, bookmark Ea chosen to survive the flood.
(1) An arch is built and loaded food and animals.
(2) An arch is built and loaded food and animals.
(1) After several days in the ark, Uta-Napishtim wants to know if the water level has fallen. It then sends a dove, a week later, a crow. The crow did not return, Uta-Napishtim knows that the flood is over.
(2) After several days in the ark, Noah wants to know if the water level has fallen. It sends a crow, and then a week later, a dove. The dove comes first with an olive branch, and is not at all. Noah knows that the flood is over.
(1) Uta-Napishtim is a sacrifice to the gods to thank for having saved the deluge. The goddess Ishtar sends a rainbow.
(2) Noah made a sacrifice to YHWH to thank him for having saved the deluge. YHWH sends a rainbow as a sign of the covenant.
Myths about a flood seem to be widespread. However, both because of the deluge that the protagonists and the outcome varies greatly from one to another myth. For example, in Paraguay, a myth tells that the earth was once flooded because there were too many people. The weight of humanity meeting was therefore sink the continent, which floats on water. Fortunately, some were rescued by a white bird.
In Canada, a myth from Cris tells people that a man has survived a flood in a canoe. It then sends a crow who could not find land. The crows were white. To punish the crow, the man had become the black.
It is interesting to note is that the myths from the eastern Mediterranean have more often the focus of the flood sent to punish humanity. Elsewhere in the world, because of the deluge is often not specified, or the result of a natural force.
The Great Flood of Noah and his theological embrouilles
The biblical myth seems to be an adaptation monotheistic? A pre-existing narrative. In the Babylonian myth of narrative coherence is ensured by the fact that the gods want to kill some people and others to save them. As against the "monothéisation" story leads to contradictions Hebrew as YHWH occupies both the role of executioner and savior.
This puts into question a central argument of Christianity, that God would allow evil in order to allow free will? It seems that the free will of contemporary Noah was not so important for YHWH.
It is also questionable from what Noah fired if his conduct exemplary. After all, the Ten Commandments were not even on the eve of being drafted. What set of rules, what moral code were (or were not) the people at the time of the Great Flood? The Christian belief that morality goes back to Moses (who seek the commandments on Mount Sinai) is well embêtée.
Another problem is posed by the existence of giants before the Flood. According to Genesis, these Néphilims would be the result of unions between demons and human women. Such watches have never had a place on board the Ark of Noah. Still, in post-biblical flood, it is still question of Nephilim. The famous Goliath fight that David, was not himself a giant?
This problem is resolved in the Jewish tradition by saying that one of the giants had hooked to the roof of the Ark (!), Which in the Hebrew story is a "box" and not a boat. As against this variant of the myth of the flood is not found in the Bible, which fails to explain how the Giants have survived the flood.
The impossibility of a global deluge
To achieve a good overall flood, only one ingredient: water, in very large quantities. Hence came the great flood of water? Several hypotheses have been proposed by creationists.
The water in the flood, according to the Bible
Before examining the assumptions contemporary look that tells the myth itself. According to the bible, there are two possible sources: the rain, and the sources of the abyss "mentioned in Proverbs 8:29:
Disposa heaven when I was there; When drew a circle on the surface of the abyss, when the clouds settled on the top, and that the sources of the abyss poured out forcefully when gave a limit to the sea, to ensure that water does not cross the edges when laid the foundations of the earth, I was at work with it (trans. LS)
Note in passing that, according to this passage, the earth is flat. Thus, water would have fallen through openings in the dome covering the earth, which is flat. This water would be attached to that from under the earth-disk.
After the Deluge
Outcome of the Flood also a series of problems that are presented here briefly:
Problem of genetic diversity: if there were only two animals how have they been able to reproduce without inbreeding problems? The same applies to Noah and his son. These four families are the only humans on the planet, they did not have the choice to reproduce them.
Mass migration: how the animals have found their habitat? For example, how kangaroos have earned Australia? And what do the animals have eaten during the first weeks after the flood? Carnivorous animals have been forced to eat some herbivores (two species), causing rapid extinction of all life on earth.
Problem of adaptive radiation: how species archetypal (or "[[baramin]") have they been able to generate as much diversity in such a short time (4000 years)?
No land on Earth! Following a comprehensive flood, there would be no black soil on the surface for plant growth. All debris was mixed randomly, there could not be a top layer composed of loose soil and fertile. As a result, the animals had nothing to eat.
Geological problems posed by a global deluge
Creationists often argue that the geological strata accumulated in a few hours, do not contain traces of activity (fourmillères, earthworms, roots, etc.) which would have required several years. It is indeed a prediction that should logically result from a global deluge.
Unfortunately (for jobs), hundreds of complete ecosystems have been discovered in strata supposed to have formed in minutes. Some creationists have tried to explain these tunnels by saying that animals and insects trying to escape landslides digging toward the surface to avoid being buried. If they were, there would only vertical tunnel, but almost all are parallel to geological strata.
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Sunday, January 04, 2009
The bêtisier archive 2008, by Noémie Cournoyer
"Harry Potter and this kind of literature (big book) with the" magic "responds to the kind perfectionists who must control everything in their lives but who hit the nose on the realities and that's good they are always disappointed. So they escape to play characters that have the "power" on people and events. They fabulent and delighted in a small consolation when writing the Bible gives us the character's most powerful, Jesus. Fortunately, this Potter is far behind in the list of best-selling books in the world "- JP on forum-chretien.com
"You are not gay Baptist, you are in fact victims of a sinful temptation, that of the homosexual. Especially not you ever considered as being homosexual, trying with all your heart to fight against that temptation, and Christ knows that nothing is impossible. "- Majestic on forum-chretien.com
"This is none other than wages AIDS that we often forget that its origin is homosexuality. This is why AIDS is a disease that will always incurable, simply because it was a divine punishment. Excuse me, but you can not have tolerance for anything and everything. "- On levangile777 forum-chretien . com
( "Another states that the carbon-14 dating is a matter of interpretation. He said that the nuclear physics that is not blank ...)
"It's your interpretation ... of Scientist "- A Forum on Top Chrétien
"Well first, when I say that I am thologien, historian and bla bla bla, not by degrees I justified it, but by my membership in these areas, period." - Another on Forum Top Chrétien
A touch of ethnocentrism:
(Background: one wonders if malédications ancêstrales are heresies).
"Absolutely, you will notice that these beliefs are mostly spread among Africans for Christians who believe it is cultural as well." - Tinina Forum on Top Chrétien
"This issue for those who dispute the possibility of the existence of a triune God," I remind them that if for example "UAE" written in three letters or three typographical as "H2O" in the language of a chemist, we should conclude that water can appear in three different forms namely concrete, a liquid, solid ice and gas in the form of steam. "- Site" Bible and numbers "
"I have another problem with the so-called" continental drift. "Why is there no elephant, giraffe, hippopotamus, rhinoceros in South America as in Africa, you will answer me that because they have disappeared long ago in America, not Africa. Allow me to contradict myself constateur simple things that anyone can take it with me. First it are the same types of climates from northern Argentina to northern Mexico, and vast areas virtually uninhabited. Then, the Americas were inhabited by very late man in relation to other continents, so it ' there was no competition for large animals. Even if he had to cross the arm of the sea, all these animals can swim! "-" Gillovy "forum on Topchrétien
"I am fighting against the devil and evil spirits with some friends, spirits and jinn, which helped, but I had to take medicine because the psychiatrist did not want me to leave the course closed to the hospital since then, apart from a brief stop in 94, I take a drug, they can not get when I am not receptive, it can not crucify me. "-" Gaetan "forum on Sceptiques Quebec
"Me I need to know that virtually no scientific or n'étudie uses the theory of evolution in the work (except to" plug-in) to conclude that evolution is a belief and not a theory understood and supported by the scientific community. "-" KingJosias, on top Christian forum
"Science has taught us long ago that are carnivores because they no longer have the enzymes needed to digest certain components of the vegetation, or vice versa." - "D. Gasser, on top Christian forum
"I always ask a question ... Why are scientific as it rejects the establishment and accepts it as the evolution ... Knowing that neither one nor the other is provable by a + b and that changes must also be called "Theory of evolution" as it is, I think he still theory and is trying to collect what seems to be "done" to infer more "logic" ... "-" Fabien, on top Christian forum
"I read the bible is the best scientific tool because it agrees with the science." - "Adventist", Forum on Religion
"ME SO IS THERE A FOUTRE (less) if God wants you to hell SOYER BECAUSE OF YOUR HATE HIM TO ME I can do nothing to save you. Do you remember me but to hell. NOT BECAUSE YOU LIKE WHAT YOU LOVE. Next time I GIVE YOU THE DEFINITION OF HELL, THAT WAY YOU HAVE AN IDEA ON YOUR DESTINATION. "-" LECHEMAINDROIT ", Forum on Religion
"What is evolution? It is a theory based on the unholy thought that the explanation of the origin of life can be a theist. Based on this principle laid down in absolute rule, a materialistic atheist (mechanistic type) was developed in competition with the biblical expressed by Genesis. Taking its starting point in the fabrications of the apostate Darwin Ch 1 (and a few others) as working hypotheses, a scenario 2 scientistic considering modification and improvement of the species and what was imagined "- gillovy forum TopChrétien.
The confession of a great speaker creationist:
"I don't care about his views [of the intelligent design advocate Michael Behe] and the views of creationists or evolutionists." - Julien P.aka "Josiah and KingJosias" on the forum Sceptiques Quebec.
There are two elements in a couple, then God exists:
"Prove otherwise, prove that there are no pairs? If you find that is true of each element there are a couple, it means that God exists, if not, there is no god! this is your chance atheists! "-" LECHEMAINDROIT ", Forum on Religion
"Of course the man cotoyé these fantastic beasts that are known dinosaur, although I am convinced that in fact they were species of dinosaurs, whales, elephants, and large varan volatile. Indeed it was discovered that evidence of cohabitation in the fossils of the same geological disposal. We must tell the truth and stop the misinformation! Because if the lie was punishable by law, there would be many evolutionists release "-" Gillovy, on the Forum Topchretien
"An acquaintance who claims to escape the guardianship of the biblical teaching satanic claiming the right to autonomy (I remind your kind thought that creationism is the official doctrine of the Church of the Apostles until today ... No father apostolic fathers of the Church, Doctor of the Reformation has supported a further explanation than that of Genesis, which is crucial to lay the foundations for understanding the functioning of the world where we are .... Who can say it a cure?) Why independent thinking is it satanic? because it is based on .... Did God really say? Doubt, a search for a different understanding, a different interpretation. "-" Gillovy "on the Forum Topchretien
"The true believer accepts clean slate of human ideas and welcome those of God in the place. And believe me, when someone has received God himself in his life, the veil of ignorance and poor reasoning falls blind and his eyes open to consider how the truth is simple, beautiful and accessible ... so it is there in his eyes and he wondered how it had so far not to see it! Our intelligence is renewed by the Holy Spirit of God and we finally understand things how the world has been done, how it works and how it will end. evolutionist propaganda seems so frivolous and vain that it ends soon by classify science-fiction mythology and post-scientific. "-" Gillovy " , on the Forum Topchretien
"If evolution was represented by a person, after these events, you require the care of your property? If you were an employer, you commit? How can we trust any logic in this false science "- Michael J., comment on a newspaper article of rural life.
"Creationism is conveyed through scientific periodicals published by the creationist research centers, via the Internet, via the debates in colleges and universities, etc. ..." - Josiah, comment on a newspaper article of rural life.
"[T] he man was created to serve and not to be the master. The great seduction of 60 years was to believe that man can be free. Jesus reminds us of the truth, the man was created to be under the government of God is under the government of money. The "free spirit" does not exist in the kingdom of God. "- Blog Zone Impact, 1st April 2008
"What some theologians have returned to their account of the" methodical doubt "of Descartes is unfortunately true. (...) For my part, I do not trust these pseudo-scientists of the Bible, these douteurs professional, the unbelievers in Christian clothing. I will never allow my old Bible, who followed me - and I tried to follow during my earthly pilgrimage, and be "eaten by the myths" - Guillaume JC - Are there any myths in the Bible?
"[...] Participants display of" avatars "(images that forumeurs choose to represent) clearly demonic matching each message or a link to their site, like this young woman advocating lesbianism, the "conversion to atheism" and other glorification of suicide (sic) - but says nothing moderation. "- Site Voxdei on the forum topchretien.
"Do not forget that quantum mechanics can explain things quite large, such as the killer waves (waves of 20-30m high) that were impossible for classical physics." - "Yoda" on Forum Topchretien
"0 = + m-m
= Should be read as a symbol of identity m anything (apple, man, god, music ...) + m-m and the expression of balance, which is universal.
For this truly magical, though infinitely simple, there is nothing that we did everything !!!!!!!!! So I think this scholar has fully answered questions about the identity of God, on how to create and that of evolution. I personally do nothing to say more, or possibly to explain further. "- Fabio, on the Forum Topchretien
"How to give a proof of the existence of God is above all a personal encounter with him with an open heart ready to give him access to all our lives for my part I was a hurry without God there but not what I did was to make the black magic and it did not bring peace but on the contrary one day I do encounter a Christian and m'ainvitée to come to church and I 've heard many stories but I could not really believe this made me tracassais and a night in my room alone I prayed and I asked forgiveness and I talk to God as a friend when I destémoignages had heard people crying and said they had felt peace n'aivaient they never felt so I foolishly waited all that I cry but nothing has happened I went to bed but still sad persévérente j 'I start the next evening and had nothing; ors I thought I could not will not have forgiveness and peace especially since I've been the practice of black magic then again the next night I did not update genous I'm lying very very sad and I said I did not have the right because of what I did and all of a sudden I started crying and resents a sensation at the top of my head to toe and a peace that I had never RESENTATION AND all my fears fears angoises that I lived a few years since we lost and that peace has never left and I have experienced extraordinary moments avecDieu an adventure so wonderful that is why it can not be explained that this is living with his heart, it is a personal decission must believe it just like a child the world wants proof of God has already given proof look around you life is a miracle, but know that we are responsible for our actions God has given us the intelligence and the choice of our actions we will respond un jour y God is not responsible for what we arrive c.est the world chosen and we accept them or not "- Choupette on the Forum Topchretien
"We have 10 or 100 billion neurons, and we only use a small part:" 5000 neurons. This is the scientists tell us. For me, I think that is a consequence of sin originel. "- TITOU on the Forum Topchretien
"You think it is possible to select pigs finally over several billion years to have a pig the size of the city of Chicago? I think not. "- Science Building on the Forum Topchretien (See also Samizdat, the site of Science Creation for countless pearls).
Creation Science and puts it on that other thread, same argument: the pig the size of the city of Chicago rejects evolution.
"While scientists are not evil Satanists seeking to corrupt the world, but ultimately one that does not belong to God belongs to the Devil." - Saimoune on the Forum Topchretien
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